its 11 07 and in 25 mins abbey will be making her 1st free flight on our training ground had her on long creance for 2 days and not 1 problem fingers crossed will let u know what happens
hope all goes well and as has been sad is a great feeling but me and a mate were talking bout good feelings in falconry and he said it was wen the bird catches its first head of game. but for me the best feeling in falconry is getting a bird back after losing it wever it be for 1/2 hour or for a couple of days im sure the lads on here will agree but youv'e got all this too look forward to.
she is at 2lb 11oz she has stayed at this since i got her 2 weeks ago tomorrow i feed her 1 chick and about 1/2 a rat or quail a day but she has to fly for that 5 to 6 long jumps or 4 x 25yds flights she still tries to fly off the perch
p.s. do any of you leave a bird out if it is raining or are they best off away in the weathering thanks
I dont want to sound like a know it all, I'm sure you've had plenty of advice, but it sounds like shes still way overweight for training. I would have expected to have to drop at least three ounces off a bird straight from its parents before i got anything like the response needed for training. I'm currently training a female for a mate of mine, she came off her parents at 2lb 5 1/2 and she is only just flying the full length of a 40yd creance at 2lb 1 1/2. To hold her at this weight she has about 2 1/2 DOC a day depending on her exercise. Like i said, I'm not trying to say i know any better than anyone else so dont take it the wrong way, anybody else got any thaughts?
Shaun thanks for the comments today she dropped 1.1/2 oz to 2lb 91/2oz this is after 2 days of cutting her back on food she"s very quick to the fist but still tries to fly off after her 4/5 bits of food
i only gave her 1/4 quail and 1/2 d o ch then she loses interest, I know she should be only about 2lb 7oz to be keen but it seems hard to get her down
When you say she tries to fly off is that from the glove, bow or on the creance? If i were you I'd cut out the quail and try her on 1 1/2 - 2 DOC a day, chopped real small and make her work for every piece. Quail is great quality but tends to keep their weight a bit high. If she came out at 2lb 11 she can easily be dropped to 2/6 2/7 to make her keen. You could also skin and wash the chicks ie no casting and no blood, this should drop her a bit quicker.
Forget the quail whilst training, stick to DOC, I susally just use the legs from 4 or 5 of them, each leg cut into 1/3 or 1/4 if the cracass detatched with the leg, every bit of food has to be work for her as Shaun says.
Quail may be to rich for her right now, but get her fit, and flying at a lot of quarry, and maybe a quail (or a rat and a chick) the day before a non-flying day, will go down a treat, and not blast her weight.
Must agree with Shaun here. Sounds as though your girl is a tad too chubby.
You'll find that Chicks are low innutritional value, therefore when you feed them to your bird, they'll put on very little weight, which is good if you want to keep the weight tight.
When you first got your girl she would have been fat. She's probably eating fromyou because she now knows you, rather than because she's hungry and wants to work.
Try to drop her weight until such a point where you're getting an instant response from her as soon as you call her. Keep her on chicks until you've reached this point, as you'll find it easier to control the weight with these.
Work her hard to burn off some weight.If she takes her time to come, feed her slightly less. If she refuses, don't feed her that day. Don't worry, at that weight she'll be fine.
Once she's coming instantly, only then consider letting her off the creance. Whatever you decide, if things arn't perfect the first time, don't let her off until you're happy.
Remember that due to the low nutritional value of chicks, supplement her diet with vitamin powder each day (SA37 from vets), to make sure she gets the right nutrients. This will not affect her weight.
Once you've found her flying weight, don't loose sight of the fact that birds are all different and can have mood swings. If she refuses to come one day at her flying weight when she came like a rocket the day before, she might just be having a bad day.
Bob, Have you tried feeling her keel/ (that's the breastbone), if you can feel that it is quite sharp she should be near ready but if it feels a little fleshy you will have to drop the weight a little more. As she sounds a little top heavy, it wont hurt on the odd occaision to miss a feed on occaision. Or feed the chicks head in the morning with a leg, then afterwork give the rest of the chick; that way she gets to know that she will not get too much food and will have to work for it. let us know how you get on, and good luck. Clive
Hi Bob, If your bird is still only a youngster or a late hatcher last year, don't be too rushed in getting her free!! If you allow her grow and mature slowly and IN YOUR own time, you will end up with a bird that will follow you and be great company. My bird is 18 months old and he has recently had his first kill; he is also extremely freindly to all and has a superb manner. Don't forget, we only have about another 8 weeks of the season left, unless to fly her through the moult! I set mine free about this time last year for a while but I didn't push him quickly. I had to retain him this season but he is a super bird. Take your time and allow her to try different conditions; strong winds, which should help encourage her to soar; make sure she is totally familliar with both lures and get to know all her little quirks. Good luck. Clive.
BOB,I dont want to be rude but can you do me a favour and do three things (1) dont release the bird until you know what you are doing. (2)Dont kill the bird because you havnt got a clue how to manage a birds diet .(3)Fatten the bird up and read a good book on falconry (nick fox) or do a course.This will prevent any of the other two and give you a better chance of being a good falconer.You wont gain the knowledge that you need from a foruem.Good luck.
thanks garri for those few bits of advice ive been on 3 courses at 2 diffrent B O P centrs both full of good advice
BUT one thing they both taught me was there are loads of know it alls out there who knew it all without being taught so learn your own way but always take little bits of good advice from people who care about the well being of the bird
and dont be afraid to ask questions even if you thought you knew the answer anyhow
If some advice seems to make sense, then maybe try it.
If it doesn't make sense, then don't try it without speaking to someone who will know better or not.
Eitherway, Falconers, esteemed bunch as we are, have their won little quirks and idiocincracies <spelling !?!> so take it ALL with a bit of a pinch of salt...just use to taste
Ive been reading your progress with intrest, your doing a graet job, very brave of you to do it so public. Ive found that in this game everyone is an expert- but there are not many who will give you a lot of their time to actually help you.
I was suprised how long it took me after the first moult to get my Harris going again, just keep on doing what your doing, and she'll be right. your learning all the time, keep a good diary of weights and responses.
Many thanks for those fine comments although she has taken longer than i 1st thought to get her flying free as she is not a kite (smart arse comment previous) she"s been good fun to learn with and i have picked loads from comments made some good & some not so good
but i:ll do it my way with any help greatfully accepted on the way
she seems happy at 2lb 7oz flies the full creance at 45 mtrs only losses intrest when she:s had enough food now and then she still bates a little (is that common even after 4 weeks of training) she never screems is very well behaved
and finally hands up those who use telemetry on harrises
If I were you mate, I'd miss a feed one night, take her out the following day and let her free. I know what its like, you **** yourself letting your first bird go but if shes coming 45yds without hesitation shes ready. Bring her back to the fist 3 or 4 times for tidbits then call her back and reward her well. Once you've got this far its just a matter of refinement. I use Telemetry now purely because I bought a set for my Falcons, prior to that I flew Harris's for 10 years without, if you can afford it, it can only be a benefit.
Bob have you had any training before you got your harris or is your experience just out of books m8 ,Im on the verge of buying one soon im just building my mew now ive read plenty of books looking for some hands on experience but to no avail ?
Is it worth me jumping in at the deep end and see where it leads me ,what do you think ?
I have used Telemetry and it can be good, but on the whole ive found it a right pain. You really need to spend hours and hours practicing with it, getting a friend to hide the transmitter about 3/4 mile off. most people ( me included) dont do this and when the bird goes walk- abouts its hard to follow the signal. (wind, terrain, Traffic, buildings, trees etc.
My bird went off for four days at the beginning of the season because i was rushing things getting him going again and he went to a garden about 3/4 mile from where i was flying him and lived off pidgeons and magpies for a couple of days. I would make sure he has a identity ring on. mine has a Independant bird register ring, they do a great job in returning birds.
If I were you mate I'd try and get on a course of some sort, its all the details that can make the difference, its a lot easier if you've seen things done in the flesh. Of all the books I've read I dont think one went into any great detail regarding weight control and considering this is what our sport basically revolves around, it can cause problems. Even something simple like learning to tie a falconers knot, its easy practising with one end tied to the kitchen door handle but try doing it with one hand, with a Female Harris bating and footing every time you move